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1) Refer to members of the society as "Cammies". I think it's dismissive and degrading.

2) Say "It's only a game." Ludo is only a game (to most people). I will not reduce something that people put huge amounts of time and effort into to "only a game." If anything, it's a hobby. "It's only a hobby" works for me.

3) Argue unfairly. Yes, I can be wordy. Yes, I can launch into speeches. But I don't fight dirty. I don't swear, I don't rant. And I try not to make it personal.

More to come....
Date: 2001-11-07 11:12 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] crocodilewings.livejournal.com
1) why?

2) makes perfect sense.

3) Depends on what you define as a rant. I define a rant as a (usually) long expression of your current thoughts, fuelled by anger, frustration, or some other unsavoury combustible. A rant is not necessarily a bad thing. I don't have problems with swearing, but I acknowledge that other people do, and arguers should bear this in mind when they use the more colourful end of the linguistic spectrum.

One thing I don't appreciate people doing in arguments is what I have gotten intot he habit of terming asd "arguing like an American". Not that all Americans argue in this way, far from it, and not that it's an exclusively American phenomenon, but there is a style of argument I first encountered in use by people across the pond, that consists of deliberately taking crucial components of your opponent's argument out of context, or ignoring such components on flimsy and personally-selected premises.

Personal gripe.
Date: 2001-11-07 11:50 am (UTC)

Why?

From: [identity profile] borusa.livejournal.com
Why is because every time I hear it used, it's in the sense of Cam being like an organisation people are embarrassed to belong to.
Every time I hear it it's with a dismissive tone - implying that the person saying it only belongs to the organisation because they don't have anything better to do.

Maybe I'm being hypersensitive - but don't tell me it's NEVER been used like that.

On your second bit...I know what you mean, but don't forget that just because _you_ think that something is important doesn't mean that everyone else does. England Cricket scores are crucial to me....
Date: 2001-11-07 03:37 pm (UTC)

Re: Why?

From: [identity profile] suave-steve.livejournal.com
English cricket scores are essential to me too RBS
Date: 2001-11-08 07:46 am (UTC)

Re: Why?

From: (Anonymous)

The context in which you mentioned "Cammies" the other night, as in "Well, I can't be bothered to hang around with Cammies... I'm going to see some real people" was wonderfully observed.

I like the implication you're making - that people who use the phrase in it's diminutive sense are actually bung full of self-loathing, unable to break out of the adolescent cocoon that is roleplaying.

Not that roleplaying is adolescent. And not that I can spell the damn word anyway.

It kind of makes you feel sorry for them, doesn't it? These poor, deluded creatures who would go so far as to belittle themselves and their friends in order to seem normal.
Sanity's a one trick pony anyway...but when you're good and crazy, the sky's the limit!

Oh...and it really is just a game. Really. It's not rocket science. It's not saving any lives. It's not even soap opera. If it's a hobby, then it puts LRP right up there with trainspotting and that's something I think no one wants. There. We're back to being Gamers.

I am Gamer, hear me rattle dice!
Date: 2001-11-08 05:36 am (UTC)

Just checking

From: [identity profile] uknc.livejournal.com
£) wasn't me, was it? I know we have a disagreement-ette on Sunday night, but I htink I was fairly to the point in why I disagreed with you. it's always difficult to know how one comes accross, and that sort of thing worries me...
Date: 2001-11-08 09:38 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] winterthing.livejournal.com
1) Agree totally...and I hate being referred to as a 'cammie'. Heard something worse tho - the university role playing society at York refers to itself as 'freaksoc', which I really thought was awful! Freak just isn't a word which should be used like that.

2) I dunno...I sometimes feel it is something that needs said. Not in the sense of 'it's just a game on the same level as monopoly - grow up and get a life and stop caring.' Rather in the sense used by Boris Becker - he once said about tennis when someone asked him how he felt about loosing an important game that he was disappointed, and yes, he wished he could have done better, but ultimately (direct quote coming up) 'it's just a game. No one died'. Not degrading the amount of time and effort that people put in, but sometimes I reckon everyone needs to give themselves a bit of a perspective jolt and get head clear and stuff. Me as much as anyone...

3) Agree totally. Some thing you just don't say! I know I can hover on the edge of what is acceptable at times, especially when I am upset, and I would hope that people would give me a nice verbal slapping and tell me off for it. People always deserve a certain amount of basic respect.

Sally
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